Busted! MH-17 Was in Fact the 'Lost' Flight MH-370 -- Updates

Clarifications, after new information emerged Alternative media websites and myself have suggested...

Clarifications, after new information emerged

Alternative media websites and myself have suggested that the plane wreckage presented to us as MH-17, actually belongs to the 'lost' flight MH-370. In this article I will bring new evidence to support this theory.

Clarification and updates:

1. A missing window on the wreckage, which appeared in some pictures over the internet.

- Malaysia Airlines renovated their jets a couple of years ago, modifying the interior and blocking the window in question. The presented pictures of MH17 with a window next to the door and below the flag is, apparently, an older image of the jet.

Unfortunately for the secret agencies involved in this false flag, the internet buzz created around this information made them panic and the official REUTERS images showing that piece of the wreckage have been Photoshopped.

01. Image source: AFP; | 02. Image source: Official © REUTERS/ Maxim Zmeyev;

Miraculously, a window appeared in at least two of their pictures, where previously there was none: example one / example two.

The pictures belong to Reuters, there's no question about it (one of them is hosted on Reuters' website, while the second one is hosted on one of the most respected media websites in Russia and in the world -- the 26th most read website in Russia and 505th most read in the world).

Expect broken links and missing pictures soon, but remember what you saw!

Why would they counterfeit evidence if they have nothing to hide? Because they are guilty of this false flag, and by trying to cover their presumed mistake, they have in fact proven their guilt.

This is a huge smoking gun!

2. The flag does not properly align to the window, as compared to recent pictures of the original MH17 (no new information here).

3. Rebel leader describes the MH17 victims: rotten corpses, drained of blood (no new information here).

4. ALL the videos were created before MH17 was allegedly shot down (no new information here).

5. Flight MH17 was cancelled, according to flight radar screen (no new information here).

6. Invalid and pristine passports at the crash site.

- Some readers suggested that the invalid passports could be required as they could contain unexpired visas. This makes sense, but unfortunately none of the ones presented had any visas or stamps.

- It is still the matter of their condition, which is pristine. They all look brand new, even the clipped/perforated ones (and you will see why).

7. U.S. State Department Deputy admits: MH17 ‘evidence’ is based on YT clips & social media posts

- In a new press conference with the U.S. State Department Deputy Spokesperson, Marie Harf, AP reporter Matt Lee points out the lack of evidence for her claims:
“Marie, I think that it would be best for all concerned here, if when you make an allegation like that you’re able to back it up with more than just 'Because I say so'.”
Thank you, Mr. Lee, that's common sense and sanity speaking. There's too much at stake to simply take your word for it! Period.

8. Award-winning reporter blows whistle: U.S. satellite images show Ukrainian troops shooting down the plane that was presented to us as MH17 (no new information here).

9. Additionally, before proceeding to the key point, there are multiple other questions that I haven't properly analyzed, because I was interested in the key pieces of information exposing the false flag. You can read more here.

CLICK HERE for my complete analysis. Please read it before proceeding.

Update: Sound expert says tape is fake

A group of experts studied the tape and came to the conclusion that it was made up of numerous unrelated recordings.
“This audio recording is not an integral file and is made up of several fragments,” said Nikolai Popov, a reputable expert in sound and voice analysis.
But the most indicative moment is that the audio tape clearly shows that it was created almost a day before the airliner crash, the expert said. - Reference: ITAR-TASS News Agency;

Original article below:

When it was first announced that flight MH-370 disappeared without a trace, there had been voices suggesting that the same plane will be later used in a false flag operation.

Personally, I tried to ignore the speculations thinking that no secret agency could ever conduct such an insanely-obvious operation, expecting that the rest of the world is stupid enough to buy it.

Boy, was I was wrong!

It's not only that the official MH17 story is filled with gaps, but there are also bizarre accounts and 'coincidences' that are impossible to ignore:

1. The alleged MH17 was the same plane model as MH-370

The aircraft allegedly shot down over Shaktarsk is a Boeing 777-200, ID number M9-MRD.

The missing MH370 was the same model, 777-200, but with a different ID number M9-MRO.

Recent, “near conclusive” evidence reports that MH-370 (M9-MRO) was actually hijacked before it disappeared. This means that the hijackers could have safely landed the plane somewhere else.

The US military base Diego Garcia is conveniently located within flying distance of the spot where MH-370 disappeared from the radar.

One of the passengers on board MH-370, Phillip Wood, allegedly managed to send a photo from his iPhone, tracing back to the previously mentioned military base.

If the US secret services got possession of the MH-370 jet, then it was a child's play for them to set it up for a false flag operation suiting their needs.

After the story of a passenger jet having been shot down by pro-Russian separatists broke loose, Russia lost a lot of credibility and support due to the US propaganda machine.

2. The crashed plane had a different configuration of windows than MH17

Unfortunately for those who staged the false flag event, the MH17 plane had an extra window (below) next to the second right-side door, which MH370 did not -- and neither did the wreckage of the airplane!

#1 Update [07.25.14]: Jim Stone brings more photographic evidence supporting the connection between the wreckage and flight MH-370:

#2 Jim Stone Update [07.26.14]:

The flag in the wreckage is now getting cropped out of images posted of the shoot down, and someone either kicked the aluminum plate over the window out or a second window got Photoshopped in. Take a look at this photo:

And ask yourself, WHY HAS THIS BEEN DONE? Obviously, to muddy the waters, that is a super professional Photoshop hack, we all know what the real photo is supposed to look like and this was obviously done in response to people discussing the flag, and having the window arrangement match flight 370 exactly.

They HAD TO release a photo showing a window where there was none in the original crash scene, to muddy the waters and just "PROVE" this is MH17. Notice the flag is cropped out, because it is the smoking gun that proves this is flight 370. [1]

Image source: © REUTERS

#3 Update [07.26.14]: There is a lot of official Photoshopping going on. The following is a prime example:

01. Image source: AFP; | 02. Image source: Official © REUTERS/ Maxim Zmeyev;

The first picture is the original, taken at the crash site, while the second one has been obviously Photoshopped, adding a black window under the flag.

According to independent journalist Jim Stone,
"It is important to note that MH370 [bellow] was new, and therefore never repainted. This is the way the flag ALWAYS looked on Flight 370, and it forever pegs the shoot down plane as flight 370."
"Next is flight MH17. Notice the flag position, and ALSO, that MH17 has an extra window on this side of the aircraft, TOTALLY BUSTING THE OFFICIAL STORY." [1]

So, what does it all mean?

The plane wreckage shown in the propaganda pictures doesn't have the window configuration of MH17, whilst it matches the one of MH370.

The conclusion is obvious: the wreckage most probably belongs to the 'lost' flight MH370.

3. Rebel leader describes the MH17 victims: rotten corpses, drained of blood
"A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off. (...) [People at the crash site]: 'A significant number of the bodies weren't fresh,' adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition." [2]
According to independent journalist Jim Stone:
"It is being said that a Dutch doctor who was at the scene within a day has released testimony that the bodies on the plane were rotten and dead days before the crash, which would corroborate what the military commander said and that evidence is there that they were also tortured before the crash. However, the translation from Dutch is very poor and I am working on secondary confirmation."
This means that the bodies found at the crash site in Ukraine are probably the passengers of MH370.

4. ALL the videos were created before MH17 was allegedly shot down
"A look at the time stamps for the nine versions of the video that allegedly shows a conversation between Ukrainian anti-fascists and the Russian military and uploaded to what is said to be the Ukrainian Security Service (SSU) youtube account, indicating that all the videos were created before MH17 wrecked in the afternoon 2014-07-1." [3]

Remarkable unit with timestamps confirmed by the date stamp for when the videos were uploaded to a local server contained herein.

5. MH-17 propaganda picture doesn't match the facts

According to the Daily Mail, Flight MH-17 was photographed by one of the passengers just before boarding, but the identification number doesn't macth!

MH-17's ID number is 9M-MRD (Wikipedia):

The ID of the plane in the propaganda picture is 9M-MRC (Daily Mail):

*Please see #5 update: the C could in fact be a D obscured by glare.

6. Flight MH17 was cancelled, according to flight radar screen

Flight Radar-24 screen capture on the day following the crash (7/18) shows MH-17, (9M-MRD) as “canceled” on the date of the crash (7/17): [4]

7. Invalid and pristine passports at the crash site

All the passports appearing in the propaganda video are in mint condition. They want us to believe that ALL passports have escaped undamaged after an airplane filled with fuel was shot down by a SAM missile -- not to mention the 33,000 feet drop.

And that's not all! Many of presented passports are clearly invalid: some have been ‘hole-punched’ in the upper left-hand corner, while others have been ‘clipped’ (triangular cut-out from right-hand center front cover) – making it impossible that any of these decommissioned passports could be used to travel internationally at the flight’s port of Departure in Amsterdam. [5]

8. U.S. State Department Deputy admits: MH17 ‘evidence’ is based on YT clips & social media posts

In a testy exchange between AP reporter Matt Lee and U.S. State Department Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf, Lee virtually corners Harf into admitting that the “evidence” presented by the U.S. to blame Russian-backed rebels for the shoot down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 [now exposed as MH370] amounts to nothing more than YouTube videos and social media posts. [6]

9. Award-winning reporter blows whistle: U.S. satellite images show Ukrainian troops shooting down the plane that was presented to us as MH17

Award winning former Associated Press reporter Robert Parry has been told by an intelligence source that the United States is in possession of satellite imagery which shows that Ukrainian troops were responsible for the shoot down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 [now exposed as MH370].
“What I’ve been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms." [7]
10. The declassified Operation Northwoods: Disturbingly similar to MH17!

#4 Update [07.27.14]: Forbidden in the government controlled media, is mention that a SECOND aircraft was nearly on top of Malaysian flight 17 when it was supposedly shot down by a Ukranian missile in separatist hands. Who was in it? Why were they there? Why won't anyone talk about it, or question the pilots?

A clue may be found in the real-life Operation Northwoods - a declassified top-secret plan devised by the US military, to instigate and "justify" a war with Cuba. Much of Northwoods involved staged 'shootdowns' of military and civilian aircraft, and faking crashes.

Operation Northwoods Exposed:

"An aircraft at [US military base] would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civilian registered aircraft.

At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases.

The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous...

From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude [in order to disappear from the radar] and go directly into an auxiliary [military base] where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status.

The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan.

When over [the target area] the drone will begin transmitting on the international distress frequency a 'MAY DAY' message stating he is under attack by [the chosen enemy]. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal.

... a pre-briefed pilot would fly tail-end Charley at considerable interval between aircraft.

[After giving the distress call] the pilot would then fly at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number.

The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared.

At precisely the same time that the aircraft was presumably shot down, a submarine or small surface craft would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc. [i.e. plane parts].

Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched and parts of aircraft found."

Once you know the plan, perhaps what is unfolding now will make more sense...

By Alexander Light, HumansAreFree.com; | References: [1] Jim Stone; [2] Yahoo! News; [3] Chemtrails Planet; [4] eClinik; [5] Humans Are Free; [6] Info Wars; [7] Humans Are Free;

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  1. I would like to see the dutch report as i am Dutch and it is a big issue here in the netherlands. A lot of people are calling for war. I firmly believe it is a false flag but i am totally not sure about the details because there is so much disinfo! If you need help translating i can be your man!

    1. Please contact Jim Stone, at: james@jimstonefreelance.com
      Thank you!

    2. what the hell is war going to solve? are you sure its not dutch media propaganda 'saying' people are calling for war to get you all to think alike?? even if peopl egenuinely are calling for war when the fuck are they going to grow up.

    3. War will probably be beneficial for those "leaders". I think having a war was the plan all along. What is a better way to start war then to put people against each other and get their brainwashed approval out of hate.

    4. and what happened to the passengers of the tragic flight if the plane had been stuffed with dead bodies from another missing malesian plane?

    5. False flag, true flag it doesn't matter. What really matters are humans are assholes trying to manipulate each other into doing things to get what they want. What really matters is who's in the blame game in this incident. And it seems like the blame is on Russia, well so be it!

    6. Google "The FBI uses polygraphs to eliminate suspects"

    7. Malaysian airlines is in debt. Its wholly owned by the government.

      'As of end-December, MAS had total debt of 11.7 billion ringgit. Its next major debt repayments are due in mid-2022, when $455.2 million worth of bonds mature, according to Thomson Reuters data.'
      Source: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/03/25/malaysia-airlines-financing-idINDEEA2O0GS20140325

      You need 7 years for a object to declare lost to reclaim money from the insurance company. count 7 years from 2014, its 2021 and then they have to pay their next installments in 2022.
      I think the govt agencies has to involve to do this kind of shit, be it the missing MH370 or this MH17 tragedy. I think these things are staged.

      Hope not.

    8. I can translate Dutch to if you like. I need to admit so many things are not right about the so called plane crash and i like to know what DID happen that day. I'm from the Netherlands and i do notice a few things doing my own little research that def not making any sense.

  2. A couple of years ago Malaysia Airlines refurbished it's B777 fleet. They removed First Class and extended Business Class. This als omeant moving f.i. toilet positions. Therefore other windows had to be blocked. The fotos are of the same aircraft some time apart.

    1. Interesting information, which would explain why MH-370 had the blocked window on the right side, under the flag. Unfortunately, MH-17 doesn't have a blocked window there (probably the interior configuration hasn't been changed). Please notice the different plane IDs in the provided pictures.

      I will update the article if further information becomes available. Thanks!

    2. In one of the pics you've used to illustrate how the flag doesn't line up with the window on MH17, it very clearly DOES have the blanked off window. So that kinda confuses things a little.

    3. 9M-MRD has had the blocked window since at least 2009, this photo is from this year: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100721023@N05/14625482185/

      You can even see that it's blocked in the first image you posted under "1. The alleged MH17 was the same plane model as MH-370", where it's blocked on both planes.

    4. You're obviously not a very good "journalist" if you can't even do proper research.
      Here's a photo of MH17 9M-MRD on 5th of August 2013 at Frankfurt.


      Blocked window under the flag on the right hand side of the aircraft. This alone blows a huge hole in your fantastic conspiracy theory. You can't just pick and choose your evidence to create a bias. Especially when that 'evidence' is years old - clearly before 9M-MRD received her refit.

      And before you say "BUT THE FLAG DOESN'T LINE UP HUR DURR". Actually, yes it does. The angle of the above photo makes it harder to see, so just in case, I present to you 9M-MRD in October 2011, complete with blocked window and a flag that clearly lines up. You can even see the faint line of the fuselage panel visible that meets the flag, consistent with the wreckage photo in your "article".

      So, the flag never lines up with the window in ANY photo you say? That's a pretty bold claim.

      If that's how trustworthy your claims and evidence are, then who's to say how trustworthy the rest of your claims are?

      Get out, get a real job, and have some respect for all those who've lost their families.

    5. Forgot to add the link to the October 2011 image to my previous comment:

    6. Simon, the picture is from those who say it was refurbished inside and had to block the window (which makes sense). Unfortunately, even on that picture, there is still an big issue: the misalignment of the flag.

      Also, please see updates #2 and #3. Thanks!

    7. Joe Biden told Poetin that Poetin does not have an soul. You should check yours!

    8. I concede there are irregularities, as presented on this page, I was merely pointing out a very obvious flaw in one of the main points. The updates were added after my initial comment. I try to keep an open mind, but what I can't get past is the number of countries that would need to be complicit in this, including Holland and Malaysia, as well as Maylasian Airlines themselves (the author theorises that the real MH-17 has been reliveried with new ID markings in a comment further down) and I find that hard to believe. Also, if there was a shred of real, physical evidence Russia would be all over this like a rash. You can guarantee they will have looked into this already and would have exposed the conspiring nations as liars. I can't see what they would gain by keeping quiet.

    9. Ok, let's overlay GruntGuy's photo of MH-17 (MRD), with the photo from the post of MH-370 (MRO).


      There is no misalignment. The flags are in exactly the same place on both planes.

    10. @Simon English, The decision makers are all owned by the same people and all secret services work for the same people. This kind of operations work on a need-to-know basis, so there are very few people who actually know what is going on.

  3. If this is true and they used the same plane and bodies from the MH370 flight then how do you explain the new victims and their grieving families including the hundreds of HIV experts?

    1. Please see my answer bellow. Thanks!

    2. and if this is true how come the Blogger is still alive?

  4. So where is the actual MH-17 flight then if this is MH-370?? If this is a cover up of some sort then what exactly is it covering up? MH-370 is still missing in the publics eye...

    1. This is actually the easy part. MH-17 could already be operational under a different ID (tail number).

      As for MH-370, get ready to hear a really lame story sometime in the future, about how its wreckage was found somewhere in the Indian Ocean by chance (or something). The more time passes, the less interesting the story becomes to the general public. Not many will pay attention to details...

    2. Is the media editing photo's to make MH370 look like MH17 ?
      Found these pictures on Google Images searching for "MH17 Wreckage"

      First photo from AFP has a blocked window

      Second photo of the same plane part from Reuters has an unblocked window, It's so dark it looks photo-shopped

    3. Yes, they are, Steve. Please see the second and third updates for more details. The Photoshopped pictures are official and belong to Reuters (owned by the Rothschilds).

      The question is: WHY would they do it, if there's nothing to hide?

  5. If the bodies of the MH-17 were already decomposed, they were probably the original passengers of the hijacked MH-370. So, what happened to the passengers that boarded the MH-17, some of whom were the 100+ people on their way to the Melbourne HIV/AIDS conference - all of them pro's in that field?

    1. I don't have an answer to this question and I also have some unanswered questions of my own.

      At this point, the number of HIV/AIDS conference attendees is conflicting. The main stream media insists on 6 dead passengers, while alternative media websites say the number could be as high as 100.

      Again, there are too many gaps in this story, compared to any other similar event. Something's fishy!

    2. So could the passengers of flight MH17 possibly be alive in your opinion?


    3. The triangle cut off the passpord is not strange. In Malaysia and Singapore you need to carry both your old and new passport. Its because the expired old passport has valid visa labels in them.

    4. There where no Australians on the MH-370 and now we have 3 missing kids from the same family here in SA that where alive when MH-370 when missing. That apparently died on MH17. There are another 32 Australians found dead at the crash seen

    5. So if the passengers on flight MH-17 were alive due to flight cancellation, where are they? Why haven't they returned to their loved ones? Why are their loved ones "waiting" for their bodies be shipped back? Could all 298 passengers on the manifest be part of this whole conspiracy theory??

    6. I'm not saying people didn't die, but they might have died in different circumstances. I'm talking about the notorious ones, flying to the HIV/AIDS conferences.

      As for the rest of the alleged passengers... well, where are the Sandy Hook children, where are the Boston Marathon bombing victims? We don't know any of them personally...

      There are a lot of questions, and even more conflicting answers.

    7. es of the Sandy Hoax kids have surface albeit the kids look older but still have same similarities as their younger pics.
      Talk about dead bodies.... false flags are dangerous, it doesn't mean people aren't dead , take a look at 9/11 case and point.
      Finding people think when it's a false flag , that automatically people didn't die which not true at all.... a false flag is generally facilitated by ones own govt, to further an undisclosed agenda...For Sandy Hoax it was for the assault on the 2nd Amendment, and also an exercise in pysops for Agenda 21. Research the town Newtown , they are the poster child for sustainable living. This event also was to hit an emotional note nation wide, the media was mostly responsible for this . The media attempted to mold and guide our collective minds one way or the other. Look up Monarch Project. We are nothing but lab rats the elite scum are experimenting on.

    8. wouldn't the number of bodies at the crash site tell the story?

  6. Your article is so disrespectful to those who died!

    Just read this, http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/igor-strelkov-key-mh17-crash-suspect-linked-massacre-3000-bosnian-muslims-1992-1458304

    A Russian admitted responsibility but then later removed his post

    1. A guy who allegedly killed 3,000 people in 1997, turns separatist in 2014 and brings down a passenger jet with a military installation (BUK) that the separatists didn't have in the first place?

      I'm sorry, but just because a someone says something, it doesn't make it so (if he actually wrote that in the first place and it's not just propaganda).

      All of the US spying capabilities are turned to Ukraine, yet they are unable to provide us with ANY piece of evidence (other than YouTube videos and online discussion) that pro-Russian separatists are responsible for this event?

      Actually, they haven't provided any evidence that the pro-Russia forces had in possession a BUK installation in the first place.

      Please, read all 4 articles (it's VERY important that you do):

      1. http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/us-state-department-deputy-admits-mh17.html
      2. http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/kiev-censors-mh17-air-traffic-control.html
      3. http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/award-winning-reporter-blows-whistle-us.html
      4. http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/top-7-reasons-to-question-official.html

      There are simply too many gaps, and this story doesn't stick!

      As for why the US and NATO accuse Russia... well, they do it because it's CONVENIENT. This is Cold War 2 and we are going to pay the price.

    2. 9M-MRD does have a covered up window...http://www.planespotters.net/Aviation_Photos/photo.show?id=397637

      And if they try to use a different registration for 9M-MRD then it would not go unnoticed in the aviation/planespotting community.

    3. thats exactly had it been the truth the us would have handed over the evidence straight away
      but you can no longer trust the us any more

    4. Both MRO and MRD have both had the window present below the flag



      Conspiracy theory over.

    5. You're the one without any respect for the victims. You are an intellectually lazy hypocrite who doesn't want to use their brain to think about the situation, so you blindly accept the story put out by your country's media and regurgitate this tired old emotion-based drivel about how we don't respect the victims. But anyone who thinks about it for a second knows it's balogna because if you care AT ALL about the victims you will want to know the TRUTH of what happened and not just blindly believe one of them because you were born in this country so therefore our media always tells the truth and theirs always lies.

  7. Maybe they had no photo from the MH370, to show what plane is lost..
    Then they made a picture from the MH017 to say, its a plane like this one..

  8. After reading this article i feel a little more justified in my thoughts and questions regarding the deceased bodies and passports.. i questioned the fact that even after being hit by a missile and crashing from 33,000ft, fire etc the bodies were stil recognisable and passports were in pristine condition. keep is updated.

  9. You guys are falsifying your info. the pictures you guys show of 9M-MRD are old and outdated. You say the image of the broken section with the whited out window is really MH370 because MH370 had that and MH17 didn't is WRONG. Look at the image I've attached from FIFTEEN DAYS AGO. You will see that exact same section with the whited out window.


    1. Please see updates #2 and #3. Why is Reuters adding a window where it shouldn't have been?

  10. Mate. Im from sunbury Australia.

    Albert rizk I knew quite well from my footy club. Small world isn't it. Albert spoke to his daughter just before they borded the flight. Also james the son is seeing there bodies in melb soon. So I dont understand how it can be other bodies. My mates mum and dad are dead thanks to who ever shot that plane down. Keep the theories up mate I like conspiracies. Just weird how I found this write up and I know someone who died on it. Pretty sad you think know one really died. Say that to alber rizks kids

    1. Hi Tim, thanks for your comment. I do believe that there are people who died, but I just don't know how. I've contacted you via Google Hangouts. Can you, please, respond or send me an email at alexandru2012@gmail.com?


    2. i wonder..do the families of MH17 in melb, get to re open the coffin, you know just in case its empty. as they insist not to open it due to the state of d deceased.

  11. the engine is a different make and to change an engine is a time consuming one where the wings the main support for the plain have to be dissembled same with the engine. Malaysia Airlines only had 2 Boeing 777-200ERs in there fleet so no matter what there is a missing plain and 35 aussies to explain for

    1. Incorrect. Malaysia Airlines have 13 777-200 ERs currently.

  12. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QzYzpbpnf2s/U9FOzFhloXI/AAAAAAAAO7s/XnElKT7u8yA/s1600/MH17+wrong+tale+identification+number.jpg

    That looks like RD to me, accounting for the angle the plane is on.

    Also, the window/flag config matches the crash site photos.

  13. so the new victims happen to what? time travel and board MH-17? i believe the two planes are separate incident.

    MH 17 was downed by the USA using a new weapon that could vaporize everything. reason: to kill Chinese agents on board.

    MH 370 is a false flag operation designed to give the US a pretext to enter the Ukraine civil war, plus the added benefit of demonizing the separatists and Russia.

    that's more plausible than your crazy theory that would entail too much work and a circuitous logic as to why tf US would undergo such a roundabout operation.

    1. And since Malaysia Airline Sdn Bhd(MAS) is in red for sometime, Malaysia willing to 'borrow' the planes to US for the war as MAS financial problem will be settle? Something like this?

    2. I´m with you, Jao Romero!

  14. This is interesting information indeed but not interesting enough if the source use some Wikipedia information.

  15. The rego of the plane in the picture is actually MRD not MRC as you have suggested. The letter D is partially obscured. The letter C on any rego of any aircraft are always curved and at no point becomes a straight line.

  16. on your point of the clipped passports, many people travel with 2(old and new) as the old passport may contain unexpired visas.

    1. in spore, once a passport is expired, and have renewed it, you cant use it at all what else having to bring it with you when u travel oversees, the local immigration wants to see valid passpot and valid visas. and not something like bring fwd from old passport for verifications. i dont see any of my family flying to europe country have and must bring the old expired passport which have unexpired visas., unless u want to add more weight to your luggage. the passport finding do look so unreal, its is such a good condition and brand new....lets wait n see whats next..

  17. 1. If the US had changed the registration number, there would be 2 9M-MRDs, which (probably, Malaysians can ignore some stuff sometimes) Malaysia Airlines would have noticed it before the 2 planes go on their flights. And then, if one 9M-MRD crashed, another would still be flying, which could start a confusion.

    2. Not to be offensive, but have you ever know that you could shut windows? I need proof that shows the other side of the wreckage. Don't know about that flag though, can't straighten the image.

    5. If you also mean by the picture in Wikipedia, zoom in to the registration number, there it is, 9M-MRD. And the picture took by Cor Pan? Partially obscured. I would have lost if it wasn't for this link here! Please do read it, I'm pretty lazy to write it all.


    Besides, if it was REALLY 9M-MRC, another 9M-MRC would be flying still. Which would be confusing.

    6. 'Canceled' could mean 'The flight is not done' which means 'the flight stopped' which means the flight has crashed.

    7. (Alright, I could be wrong about this)
    My expired passport is stapled to my current passport. I always bring it together for my international flights, didn't get blocked by the security. The passengers of MH17 could maybe have done the same. Probably when the plane crashed, the passports could have been scattered all around, detached due to the power of the crash.

    Alright, I didn't answer 3 because you might be right about that. I didn't answer 4, I and 9 because I didn't get what you were saying. Feel free to reply, but in most cases, I might not reply back. I forget stuffs sometimes.

    Off topic: 9M-MRD used to have a very special livery back then! It had a blue coloured livery and a sentence that said 'Freedom in space'. Was a very beautiful livery, but long before the crash, it has changed back to its normal livery, which is quite a disappointment.

  18. 9MMRD's (MH017) window under the Malaysia flag was blocked out at time of crash, see any recent photos of the aircraft and you'll see this, how has this been missed! The window directly in front of the R2 door was blocked out during config change 2004/2005!! Before this date the window in question did exist (these are the photos you are using in the article)

  19. So where does the really passengers board on mh17 and where is mh17???

    1. off all bodies that hv returned to Msia, only 1 coffin (as per stated in d net) were allowed to be re opened, the rest not permission given, wonder is there really a body or not... but msian representative attending to d bodies are the only ones who knows how bad d situation of each bodies. wonder what happen to others bodies of other countries, do they get theirs back to their beloved families..

  20. not true - those photos are from back in 2003 when MRD did have a window right of the door. it was then painted in the blue malaysian airlines livery and the window was covered due to some changes in configuration. If you look at any recent photo of MRD the window remained covered when they changed back to the traditional livery.

  21. please explain !! When it first happened my immediate reaction was omg the yanks have shot MA 370 down and want to blame the russians !! With the MA17 story i just thought 2nd time they succeeded ! Now with this new story i am just confused and need more information ! As does our idiot leader and his Evil eyed FM otherwise they will really look more stupid than they do already !!

  22. So if this is setup by the government you wouldn't know, you're claiming that whilst thinking this through to the point of almost perfection they accidentally published some YouTube videos too early? And they filled the plane with new pristine and invalid passports!? If this was done by a government it would be perfect, even myself who has very little experience in creating government cover ups would not upload a YouTube video before the accident.

    1. No, Stephen, the false flags are far from perfect. Just take 9/11 as an example.

    2. If this was a false flags attempt by America why would they do it with absolutely no Americans on board?And in your first picture of MH370 just next to the first door there is a tiny viewing window why is not in your picture of MH17?And why are the engines on both planes different?


  23. I have been spotting Aircrafts regularly in Malaysia for years and have pictured all of Malaysia Airlines 17 B777-200ER including 9M-MRO and 9M-MRD several times and i would have to disagree to you on point no1 and 2

    Malaysia Airlines had a few older batch of B777s that had an older outdated Business Class cabin config that refurbishment was done resulting removal of galley windows(Planes involve included MRA up to MRG) took them 2-3 years for the refurbishment. MRD was also selected for Heliconia Special Livery. Not sure? search airliners.net.

    My spotting accounts

  24. There is something that contradicts itself in your story - The windows theory! You state that MH17 had an additional window after the flag so the piece of wreckage that shows the flag with only one window must be MH370... BUT, you then put a picture up of MH17 that was taken by an apparent passenger who uploaded it to Facebook prior to departing on the flight... if you have a look at this picture... there is in fact only 1 window under the flag... no more! So based on this solely... the wreckage could in fact be from MH17 and not nessasarily from MH370!

    1. I think the idea behind it is they are suggesting that the plane that took off from Amsterdam was actually MH370's plane running as MH17

    2. The window isn't actually missing from those bottom photos though, they're closed.

  25. the crashed airplane was 9M-MRD not 9M-MRC


    please use your brain wisely next time

  26. Hi. I have a question about the bodies at the mh17 crash site. I've seen in multiple videos of this crash that many of the bodies are intact and in one piece. My question is that how come bodies of humans inside an airplane flying at 30,000 feet, hit by a missile, be still in a relatively distinguishable shape after falling to the ground from such a height?

    Normally, in plane crashes, even finding pieces of bodies is difficult, let alone finding so many whole bodies. So how come MH17 was hit by a missile and was flying at 30,000 feet and still so many bodies made it?

    1. You saw some bodies from a total of 298, if the bodies are not hit by the missile or pieces of the plane then they will fall down in one piece.
      Witnesses told about raining men, woman and children.

    2. Absolute BS story.
      The missing plane was full with asians, MH 17 was full with Dutch and other western people, of both planes nobody saw their beloveded back alive.
      What if ( and it happened) stories will tell that the planes that destroyed WTC New York were empty and there were no terrorists at all.
      Some people are just looking for complots, if they aren't there then create some.
      It,s SICK !!!!

    3. There are two things to bear in mind.

      1. They will generally only video bodies that are in one piece.
      2. The plane wasn't actually hit by a missile - it disintegrated due to losing structural integrity after being peppered by shrapnel from the missile. The plane takes the brunt of the impact (like crumple zones in your car) which means that the bodies were left to free-fall. Falling from 30,000 feet is no different to falling from about 1800 feet. Once you hit terminal velocity, the impact is the same. And being largely composed of liquid, you won't disintegrate falling from that height.

      They struggle to find bodies because after a fall of 30,000 feet they will be dispersed over a wide area.

      Similarly, the 'pristine' passports can be explained because a) passports tend to be protected by being carried in hand luggage or inside coat pockets and b) they will only film/present passports that survive the crash relatively well.

  27. This may be a stupid question, but why are the engines different in the first 2 photos? The engine in the second photo has a gap half way along and the top one does not. Does it open with hydraulics to help cool down or are they just different planes?

    1. I don't know why they would use different engine models. I can speculate, but it wouldn't do much good. Maybe Malaysia Airlines wanted to keep the newer ones? Maybe some engine models are better when the jet is being remotely controlled?

    2. Simple. If they leased or bought aircraft they can come in different configurations. And please no commercial aircraft can be remote controlled.. That's tin foil hat material!

    3. The engine nacelles open and slide back to force bypass air forward and help stop the aircraft. It's called reverse thrusts so probably the same engines.

  28. If you look closely at the images in point 2, you'll realise the windows ARE actually there.

    Come on people, think critically for a change.

  29. More internet bullshit!
    When the investigators check out the wreckage they will also, as part of air accident protocol, reference the part numbers on the pieces of wreckage to make sure that the aircraft is the one that was documented to be flying that route. (ALL aircraft components have serial numbers, and ALL parts and serial numbers are required by international law to be recorded as being fitted to a particular aircraft), so if it is actually the MH-370 aircraft that was shot down over the Ukraine then that is one of the first things they will find out, superficial visual differences can be changed to make something look like something else but that won't change the identity of the aircraft. Besides, airlines can change aircraft configurations at will for various reasons and widows can be blanked when the internal seating plan is changed for different routes.
    Always someone with half baked ideas and a computer to put this shit up on the net because they think they see things that prove their theories without getting all of the facts.
    Although it's fun to read about these dimwits making fools of themselves on worldwide media I really wish that they would wait to see what comes out of the official investigations, not even the worlds official media get it right either and only report what suits them.
    The only place to get the facts is somewhere like this,
    (Each country has their own)
    The reports are always posted for public viewing, and every incident/accident, no matter how small, is investigated and reported on.

    1. We are talking about the world's secret government here! They could fake an alien invasion, if they needed one, and people would still buy it. I mean, they believed 9/11, which is the most obvious false flag in history.

      Putting together a team of loyal investigators is the least of their concern. You will see some interesting propaganda documentaries a couple of months from now and that will be the end of it. Who's gonna held them responsible?

  30. 2 Malaysia Airlines in such a short time apart. This is no coincidence.

  31. what about all the chinese tourist on board? what happened to them?

  32. The tape number of the wreckage is that of MH17

    1. Of course it is, they had plenty of time to prepare the jet for this trip. This is a simple task.

  33. So a plane load of dead bodies from MH370 now dressed up as MH17 takes off from busy Amsterdam airport with what I presume was a living crew and pilots, with passports and luggage from a now different set of missing people . The crew not wanting to be rude as to why the passengers were so disinterested in the pre safety flight demonstration, continued on their way to become a stunt for USA to discredit Russia and start a war. WOW that is quite a legitamite theory.

    1. @Ricroc, all commercial jets can be remotely controlled since 9/11. To make a better idea, please consider military drones.

      Since you mentioned the passports, please keep in mind that an unidentified person took them out of a car's trunk, and presented them on camera as trophies? This is spot-on propaganda aimed at the Russians. Not to mention the condition of the passports...

      When you have the world's shadow government involved in an operation, anything is possible. They have all the resources and the know-how to achieve anything you can imagine. Consider 9/11, the London and Boston bombings, Sandy Hook, etc. -- and these were far superior in complexity than loading a plane with dead bodies and later shoot it down.

      Also keep in mind that Malaysia Airlines is involved head-deep, otherwise both MH-370 and MH-17 events would have been impossible to achieve.

    2. I agree it sounds like a Communist KGB operation. Russians love to do such stuff. It is not the first time Russians take out a plane for their purposes.

      Russia is dangerous and someone ought to crush it finally. Napoleon didn't manage Hitler didn't manage. It's time to end Communism !

    3. Communism does not exist anymore in Russia. Putin is a smart guy and a good statesman and diplomat - not your everyday popular American/British/Australian statesman and he is resisting the West and it’s want-to-control-the-world scenarios with all the means available to him. At least he and his country are not NWO!
      This entire happening of a Malaysia plane vanishing, another Malaysia plane shot down with two lots of passenger loads dead and shot to smithereens and all the speculation as to what really happened plus the many (not only on this site) conspiracy theories flying around the internet and on television networks are not going to expose the culprits. There is a deliberate sowing of confusion and mayhem: now tell me what is the meaning of the word Babylon/Babel? Confusion! And who is the whore of Babylon? The Vatican! So, there you have it, for the strong arm of the Vatican/papacy, is the Jesuits.
      They are the guys sowing all the confusion, for whatever reason. And every time a new conspiracy theory or any other theory or explanation hits the airways, they laugh their ***** off for this is just what they want. The confusion is a smokescreen for something worse to come, people.
      Looking for the culprits? Confusion sowing is the calling card of the Jesuits.

  34. If this truly was the case, why on earth fill it with people that didn't need die? If you went to the lengths to steal one, it was to make sure it was empty, surely?

    If you are going to kill passengers anyway, why go to all that trouble to steal an aircraft? You might as well have shot down a random one. Stealing one makes no sence.

    And if MH-370 was used, the original passengers have dissapeared. I would guess dead. And then fill it with passengers and kill an equal number once more? So you end up killing twice as many people as you had actually needed to do if you only shot down a random one?

    I call utter and complete hogwash on this conspiracy theory.

    1. It makes sense if you know where to look:

      They were never interested in the plane, but since they ended up with one... why not use it in a false flag?

      Clearly, Malaysia Airlines is involved in this conspiracy, otherwise it would have been impossible to achieve such complex operations.


  36. If this was true, why would the people responsible allow it to be publicly accessible on the web?

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    1. You understood correctly. I would like to add that the USA and NATO don't show ANY evidence that pro-Russian separatists shot the plane, because they actually didn't.

      According to award winning former Associated Press reporter Robert Parry, the satellite images show the opposite: Ukrainian forces shooting down the jet. Further reference:

      Also, Kiev Censored MH17 Air Traffic Control Recordings. They clearly have something to hide:

      Then, there are these 7 points to consider:

      So, why using the MH370 plane for this false flag? Because the plane was already lost for Malaysia Airlines when the US hijacked it and captured its crew.

      After simply changing its ID number, to disguise it as one of their other passenger flights (i.e. a copy of MH17), they shot it down, creating the necessary false flag that could very well lead to WW3 -- and blame it on Russia and Putin (which happened from day one).

      The real MH17 is probably already operational under a different ID number, on another route.

      As for the passengers of MH17, who really knows how many actually died and in what circumstances?

      Do you remember the caller who testified that he witnessed one of the planes that was allegedly crashed into one of the WTC towers, landing safely and all its passengers were kidnapped by military forces dressed in black and wearing no insignia? We live in a crazy world...

    2. The Photoshopped image is published in a conspiracy theory article. How are we to know who altered it. Just because someone has written Reuters beneath it doesn't mean that it is from them. The same image is cited as being by the AFP in the comparison. If it were on Reuters website and was doctored there then this would have some weight. As it isn't, then it isn't admissible as evidence one way or the other.

    3. There is no need for them to use MH370 as MH17.... if it was a conspiracy,

      they could drive MH370 into ocean and hit MH17 with a missile and cover up....

      so if it was conspiracy, to save Malaysia Airline the cost of 1 Boeing 777?? not a lot of money anyway??

    4. @Alan Thorp, http://en.ria.ru/ is NOT a conspiracy website. It's actually one of the most respected media websites in Russia and in the world (the 26th most read website in Russia and 505th most read in the world). If they say it's REUTERS, then it is, because they only work with official pictures.

      You can see one of the images in the official Reuters slideshow:


  38. Just a remark about the passports showed in the little video you posted: three of them are held open in front of the camera, whose identities are discernable. First two are NL citizens: Van der Meer Sophie and Van Keulen Allard, both appear on the MH-17 Pax & Crew Manifest from Malaysia Airlines. The third passport is of a Malaysian citizen whose name is something like Sanjid Singh Sandhu Juar Singh, whom I have been unable to find on the Manifest. Please check and possibly confirm. Bizarre... what is this passeport doing here if this person is not on the list of passengers ?

  39. Actually the third passport belongs to a steward... sorry for the mistake.

  40. By the way, the exactly same plane (Malaysian painting included) purchased by George Soros last November and stationed at Tel-Aviv Ben Gurion airport has'nt been mentioned since the crash of MH-17. Does anybody know where it is presently ?

  41. Just guessing. I personally think that "MH17" isnt carrying passengers from MH370. Government might have dumped MH370 passengers long time ago. They are using MH370 as "MH17" as a false flag operation with real passengers in it. So i guess that solves the question of where did the onboard "MH17" goes if it was MH370 passengers in it?

  42. I stopped reading after the bull that was spouted for number 2. The window is NOT missing, it is CLOSED. Who determined it was gone? Someone who forgot their glasses? There's a dang outline. In fact this evidence helps support that they are different planes since the wreckage shows the window closed. Obviously the person making this list is grasping at any little thing to prove that it was that same plane, regardless of whether or not the information was correct.

    1. This is how closed windows look like:

      The windows is on the outside and the cover is on the inside.

    2. As stated multiple times, the window was BLOCKED, not closed. I don't know how they block the windows, but they clearly won't just close the shutter and consider it blocked.

  43. Have you seen photos of the bodies published online? I'm surprised they're allowed to be considering one picture looks quite like one of the Australian children that died. Sad to think that families could see pictures of their dead relatives by a quick Google search - http://www.demotix.com/news/5304071/malaysia-airlines-mh17-i-saw-human-bodies-rain-sky#media-5303581

  44. All interesting stuff - but with any 'conspiracy' you need to ask your self "who stands to benefit from this"? and "Who has the resources to make it happen"?. Whatever the outcome(s) may be, neither this 'accident or MH370 make any sense. Any flight path, any where in the world is monitored. Civilian Air Traffic is constant, regulated and tracked by all Air Traffic Controllers which is fully computer controlled. There is no way that any plane can deviate from its flight path for a minute without someone picking it up. MH370 was such a total pack of lies and just goes to show how gullible people are. Now this claptrap with MH17. Anyway you look at it - there is a Political agenda behind it and we'll never find out the truth.

    1. Yet, the alleged MH17 was diverted over a conflict zone and shot down.

  45. This youtube video has a picture of flight 307 crash site, i thought it was flight 17 that was shot down and that there never was any flight 307 crash site. So im kind of confused here.


  47. The US government is guilty of many terrible things, but what this article is suggesting is pure madness. Not only this, but this is an insult to the people who lost family and friends in both disasters.

    This 'evidence' this article uses is ridiculous and contradictory; point 1 (that the plane models are the same) and point two (the model's were not exactly the same, so they engineered a cover up with photoshop to make it look like they were the same).

    The Separatist Commander's claim that the bodies were 'rotten' and drained of blood is unsupported by any other evidence, also conducive to the story that crazy stories Moscow wants to tell the Russian people that the plane was a dummy craft intended to be shot down so as to discredit the separatist cause.

    In response to the idea this is a false flag to start a war with Russia; Russia started the war with Ukraine, and the bulk of evidence shows that separatists shot down this plane with artillery given to them from the Russian Army. The last thing America wants to do is go to war with Russia, and vice versa. There is a very good reason why the USA has tried to disengage from this situation as much as possible as it no longer has the resources to fight pointless wars in strategically undesirable locations.

    The crimes of the US are not covert; Guantanamo Bay, The Wallstreet Bailout, and the many wars and state funded coups of the last 50 years. They do not need to resort to crazy bullshit that can be found out by some teenagers with laptops looking at grainy footage and zoomed in photographs.

    The ugly truth is even more ugly, because it means that governments can get away with warcrimes without having to go to the effort of covering them up with elaborate conspiracies.

    1. Have you even read point 10 of this article? Declassified military documents describe the modus operandi for an identical false flag attack, except it was aimed at Cuba during the Cold War.

      It's all there, please read it.

  48. Its just take a simple logical thinking ...to know that this are 2 separate events...
    Again I stated that there is no need for them to use MH370 as MH17.... if it was a conspiracy,

    what is the point of such a conspiracy, to save Malaysia Airline the cost of 1 Boeing 777?? not a lot of money anyway.....

    they could drive MH370 into ocean and hit MH17 with a missile and cover up.... but they will not use the same Airline flight in this case... so that about bust the conspiracy theory...

  49. Hi Alex, thank for you sharing this article with us. I do believe in what you are saying but I just have a few questions regarding point 10, and I would be grateful if you could give me some answers. So the drone plane was the original MH-17 plane? and the newly painted plane is the plane loaded with "selected" passengers? so the original MH-17 plane actually had no passengers on it, just the pilot. and when you say "selected", does that mean the passengers already knew they were involved in this conspiracy plan? I am just really confused.. what happened to the passengers who were supposed to board the MH-17 plane then? Obviously there are still people missing because there are families out there mourning for their loved ones...

    Also, the drone plane reached the military base safely? and the original MH-17 plane also reached somewhere safely, so which plane got shot down then?

    I would really appreciate it if you could answer my questions. thank you so much.

    1. Please read the new article here, I have a lot of new info:

  50. If this theory is true,( I'm not saying it isn't) it creates some questions for me.

    If the MH-370 was taken to a US base (I'm not prepared to even say conclusively it was the US), the victims had to be disappeared because they were already "dead". The implication would be that they were murdered and disposed of. They could not have been placed as substitute passengers on MH-17. Their bodies would be identified as those from the missing MH-370. MH-370 couldn't have been populated with "stooges" either, because there are a lot of grieving survivors.

    How did the conspirators remove a passenger jet (the original M9-MRD) from an international airport without filing a flight plan? If it didn't arrive at its intended location, it would be listed as "missing". Jet's can't just fly out of a major airport without filing a flight plan and manifest, then get permission from the tower to take off, etc.

    How did the conspirators fly the modified plane to Malaysia without being picked up by someone's radar as an incoming flight? When landing, it would have to identify itself, and have an authorized flight plan. This poses a problem as there would be two M9-MRD's in Malaysia.

    The substituted M9-MRD had to be boarded by live, legitimate passengers. I can't imagine that a large jet, scheduled as passenger flight MH17, could be populated with dead bodies in an international airport. Once again, it would seem that a large number of the airport staff would have to be in on the conspiracy. If, somehow, this was successful, there are still the grieving survivors.

    To sum up: we have two sets of people grieving for their loved ones. They (the victims) are gone, one way or another. It seems virtually impossible to swap out one jet for another. To be successful, this conspiracy would have to have had a large number of people involved, including Malaysian airport officials.

    It just doesn't seem to be logistically possible. Please enlighten me. Much appreciated.

    1. Please read the new article, it answers more questions:

  51. Your article is interesting although a little far fetched. Are you saying the crashed plane was MH-370 with it's original passenger count? Or are you suggesting the MH-17 was loaded with the dead bodies from MH-370? Either option doesn't really hold water. The victims of MH-17 have been in most cases identified and are now mourned by their families. As someone mentioned earlier, most of the passengers on board MH370 were Asian and the MH17 were predominantly Westerners. The stuff about the missing window and the flag changes is just confusing. Simply because both photographs are taken at a slightly different angle. This would make windows or window outlines more difficult to see and would make a straight flag look angled. I'm sorry, although I think there are a lot of secrets and unexplained incidents, particularly relating to America, this one is just too weird.

    1. Please read the new article, it answers more questions:

    2. Marnie, did you saw all the details? It is important to see all the photos and facts.

  52. Alexander Light, I am a bit confused about these photos with the window "added" i saw both the orginal one and the claimed photoshopped but i see 5 windows in both pictures, just that the "original" picture has the 2nd window with the blinds down.

    1. The first image of this article, exposing Reuters' Photoshop:

      In the first picture, there are 3 windows + 1 blocked. In the second picture, the Photoshop is evident. They have added a window in the place of the blocked one.

  53. Who had the most to gain from the downing of this Plane? Surely it would be Israel? Mossad agents, posing as Russian military, might have supplied the rebels in Ukraine with the anti-aircraft weapon. They could have doctored the software or even have been able to remotely control it in order to cause the downing of a civilian aircraft on a given day. The result being the perfect international news buffer for the invasion of Gaza, have you thought about that?

  54. There was only one Dutch passenger in flight MH-317. So far only one Dutch passenger of MH-17 has been identified. Wonder why?

  55. Your info on MH-17 is very interesting. Some of it have not seen before, such as date stamp on video. Maybe the greatest evidence that is mystery is in the impact video all sides accept, there is no plane, no smoke, no debris before impact, and no debris after impact in the air, except things that were blow up into sky. These two articles could be of interest.



    They include the video

  56. Was doing some thinking today on my daily drive and came up with this;
    What if the reason there are rotten corpses and luggage everywhere is because they learned a valuable lesson years earlier about what a crash should look like. That reason was learned at Shanksville, no bodies and no luggage, what kind of crash site is this.
    Also, this being 9/11, I couldn't help but reminisce about what happened on that fateful day. The telling sign 9/11 was a false flag operation is simply this; we've all seen the video of then President Bush sitting in a classroom and being told something, but what? I'm not sure, but I do know that if our nation was truly under attack that the Secret Service would have whisked him away to safety in an instant.


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